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decisions:venom_mod_abuse [2013/02/05 10:17] rosenmann explaining what "neutral ground" means |
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| + | That's an mod abuse | ||
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| + | t. [[people:vladimirr|Arbiter]] | ||
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| === Events === | === Events === | ||
| - | On March 3rd 2013 areteee's, who is part of the [[http://dev-urandom.eu/doku.php/nations:hbe2#supporters|nazi-mongol-alliance]], may have remotely caused the death of PPA at spawn area. Without any request or formal complaint [[people:venomthrope|venomthrope]] decided to ban [[people:areteee|areteee]] saying that spawn area was neutral.\\ | + | On March 3rd 2013 areteee's, who is part of the [[http://dev-urandom.eu/doku.php/nations:hbe2#supporters|nazi-mongol-alliance]], killed PPA at spawn area. Without any request or formal complaint [[people:venomthrope|venomthrope]] decided to ban [[people:areteee|areteee]] saying that spawn area was neutral.\\ |
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| However: \\ | However: \\ | ||
| 1) Venom did not see the "killing"\\ | 1) Venom did not see the "killing"\\ | ||
| - | 2) The logs state that PPA died of fire\\ | + | 2) The logs state that PPA died of fire - fire arrows are very powerful indeed\\ |
| - | 3) Even if areteee had killed PPA since they are at war it would have been legal\\ | + | 3) Even if areteee had killed PPA since they are at war it might have been legal if it had happened somewhere else\\ |
| - | 4) There is no positive rule stating that new spawn is a neutral area, venomthrope banned without a rule\\ | + | 4) There is no positive rule stating that new spawn is a neutral area, although this fact is actually unquestioned. Only formally, venomthrope might have banned without a rule\\ |
| - | 5) Even if there was such a rule, it would have had to specify what is defined as "spawn" and how large the neutral\\ "area" is, furthermore what "neutral" even means.\\ | + | 5) Even if there was such a rule, it would have had to specify what is defined as "spawn" and how large the neutral\\ "area" is, furthermore what "neutral", "area" or "defined" even means.\\ |
| - | ["neutrality" of spawn comes from late 1.7, when former Council of Kurwa (Rosenmann and v1adimirr) decided that such "public" places like spawns (such as Perkele or Berndtown) are neutral, so they can't be claimed as a territory of any nation, empire, settlement and so on. There were never any rules about fighting on public grounds.\\ | + | Summarizing: **spawns are neutral**, but it doesn't mean you can't kill there anyone. |
| - | Summarizing: spawns are neutral, but it doesn't mean you can't kill there anyone. | + | 6) In the end venomthrope did not <del>once justify the ban, nor did he</del> reply to any complaints at all.\\ |
| - | \\ | + | 7) The ban was considered too short by many other players <wrap hi>[citation needed]</wrap>.\\ |
| - | t. mr. Rosenmann: Doctor of Law]\\ | + | |
| - | 6) In the end venomthrope did not once justify the ban, nor did he reply to any complaints at all.\\ | + | |
| === Summary === | === Summary === | ||
| - | Venomthrope violated basic principles such as in [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_dubio_pro_reo|dubio pro reo]], [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullum_crimen,_nulla_poena_sine_praevia_lege_poenali|nulla poena sine lege]], the need for a formal complaint to be filled, refused to justify his ban in any way. | + | Areteee claims that venomthrope violated basic principles such as in [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_dubio_pro_reo|dubio pro reo]], [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nullum_crimen,_nulla_poena_sine_praevia_lege_poenali|nulla poena sine lege]], <del>the need for a formal complaint to be filled</del>[Mods do not need a formal complaint. They can, and do, judge on e.g. griefing without a complaint all the time.], refused to justify his ban a second time because he already named a reason. |
| === Proposed solution === | === Proposed solution === | ||
| - | Since the ban has already expired, which doesnt undo the injustice done, the admin should prevent further mod abuse by\\ reprimanding venomthrope through warning, de-modding or similiar actions. \\ | + | Since the ban has already expired and justice was done, the admin should prevent actual and potential mod abuse, instead of dealing with this complaint. \\ |
| === Logs1 === | === Logs1 === | ||